I suppose that these are people who do not understand Arab culture. Just recently (as in, I remember it was October 22 because I had an appointment in Beersheba that day) an Arab explained to me, more or less because the conversation was not in English, that "You Jews always argue and protest and fight with each other. We don't do that, we listen to our fathers. We have families". He was explaining to me how the different families fight between them, like they'll shoot at each others houses but the goal is to assert family honour, not to actually shoot somebody. But the point he was struggling to make, is that in Arab societies, everybody thinks the same. There is no room for division, no room for dissent, no room for contrary opinions. He specifically mentioned that he has family in Gaza (and yes, this was already two weeks into the current conflict) and everybody there is Hamas. He said "is Hamas", up to me (and you) to interpret that as being actual members of the organization or supporters.
I actually talk to Arabs often here, and I don't shy away from the hard questions. The Beduins specifically will happily tell you all you want to hear, with me (maybe naively) feeling that I'm in danger. Just yesterday I had a half hour conversation with a Beduin about such matters, in my house as my guest.
Then you tell me how the Arabs view themselves. Because Arabs that I've spoken with from Palestine, Lebanon, Tunis, and Iraq all mention that they see themselves as a common culture and brotherhood. Interestingly, Moroccans don't seem to share this view from what I've gathered.
My samples mostly come from people that I've met abroad or the HelloTalk app which is designed to connect people learning each others' languages. So my sample might be biased, but I don't see how that selection would bias this particular issue.
Interesting how they see themselves as a brotherhood yet not a single Arab country has ever taken in so called Palestinian refugees in the last 50 years. Jordan most recently just expelled them all! What a brotherhood
Or how about that Shiite and Sunni brotherhood going on?
They aren’t a monolith. Levant Arabs have a hard time understanding people from the Maghreb (North Africans). North Africans think differently than Iraqis, and everyone despises Gulf Arabs and their easy oil money and the Wahhabist tendencies of the Saudis.
The one thing they have in common is they don’t like the way Palestinians have been treated but have ceased viewing it as “their” fight long ago.
Yes, I agree with your first paragraph. The second paragraph I agree with less, as the Iraqis that I've talked to do in fact seem to see the Palestinian struggle as their own struggle as well. But I don't claim to really know Iraqi culture.
That’s because both Iraqis and Palestinians were occupied and brutalized by America and Israel respectively. so there is much to share. Just like South Africans commiserate with Palestinians or African-Americans about their experiences.
But that doesn’t mean Iraqis are going to fight a war for the Palestinians. They have their own problems to deal with.
I know you're just sharing your personal experiences, but I got to say that this not only does not match my personal experience, but it also sounds very much like something you hear Israeli settlers say to justify settlement expansions and violence.
I would like to hear your personal experience, then. I've heard similar things from many Arabs, I often ask questions to understand their culture better. Most of my contact is with Beduins, just because we live close to each other.
> Most of my contact is with Beduins, just because we live close to each other.
I think that's a pretty niche subset of Arabs, for one thing.
Why bother trying to generalize based on folky anecdotes like that? Like, I think you are smart enough to know that such a casual pronouncement isn't an articulation of a reliable rule for understanding the behavior of large groups of people.
When I'm specifically discussing their culture, and I find aspects pretty much uniform between the Sabuaia Beduins and the Arabs of Haifa (where I lived for a few years), then I generalize. I haven't been to Haifa for quite a while, which is why I mentioned the Beduins specifically.
The settled Arabs don't really know much about the Bedouins, and neither do the Jews. The settled Arabs of today really don't have much an opinion of the Bedouins, but I suppose that might have been different in generations past. Both populations have separate conflicts with the Jewish state.
Both the settled Arabs and the Bedouins tell that the settled Arabs came long after the Bedouins. The settled Arabs say that the Bedouins were here before they came, but the Bedouins were only in the بر (which is somehow different than صحراء but I don't know what the difference is, both seem to mean "desert" in my language). Now the Bedouins are found further north too. The settled Arabs came mostly from Egypt and some from Syria, and some from other places. They came looking for work and land, and married with the local populations. They consider themselves local since time immemorable because they married with the local populations, though they will tell of their forefathers in Egypt.
The Bedouins say that they came a few hundred years before, from Saudi Arabia. Some Bedouins also tell of great-great grandfathers from Egypt. They actually will be very frank about not liking the settled Arabs, and they will be just as frank when talking about their relationship with the Jews. I happen to know of injustices that the Jews did to the Bedouins that the anti-Jewish crowd would absolutely love to parade, if they only really cared about the welfare of the people and not just the establishment of an Arab state to displace the Jewish state.
I actually talk to Arabs often here, and I don't shy away from the hard questions. The Beduins specifically will happily tell you all you want to hear, with me (maybe naively) feeling that I'm in danger. Just yesterday I had a half hour conversation with a Beduin about such matters, in my house as my guest.