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No, because the noise of people just living life is not comparable to cigarette smoke. You can also use earplugs if you’re that sensitive to regular noises of people living around you. That kind of sensitivity is not normal though.

I can’t stop cigarette smoke from seeping in to everything in my home if I leave the windows open. Also, smoking is not a necessary part of life. You can’t live silently.

It’s not the same.


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> You can shut windows.

They could just not smoke, or smoke far away from the building where it won’t bother anyone.

> Where else do you think they are going to do it?

I don’t know, I’m not the one smoking. That’s their problem to solve.

I don’t think they’d like it if I left a bucket of rotting fish on my balcony.


> I don’t know, I’m not the one smoking. That’s their problem to solve.

It’s your problem not theirs. It bothers you, not them. They probably don’t even know it bothers you. Are you really surrounded by smokers and cannot open a window all day and night? Dude, let me tell you… you’re making your own life difficult. There are full buildings where smoking is forbidden. Make your own life easy, don’t harass others with your truths. If you don’t care why do you expect others to care.

> I don’t think they’d like it if I left a bucket of rotting fish on my balcony.

Are you comparing a cigarette smoke to full infestation?


> It’s your problem not theirs. It bothers you, not them. They probably don’t even know it bothers you.

Victim blaming 101. Oh you've been raped? Your problem, it bothers you, not the rapist.


>They could just not smoke, or smoke far away from the building where it won’t bother anyone.

In the built up area I live in, you'd really struggle to find anywhere to smoke that doesn't risk bothering someone. That's city life.

> I don’t think they’d like it if I left a bucket of rotting fish on my balcony.

Yeah, they'd shut the window.


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Maybe if they spent less money on cigarettes they could afford other things.

Maybe. Go and ask them. Maybe they are truly awful people, maybe they are old or ill, or disabled. Go and talk to them, then start labelling them x and y. See? No one got the idea. All “you” want is that nobody bothers “you”. But thinking from the perspective of others? No, that’s too difficult. The best realisation I had in life was that I am pissing others off for some reasons, as they piss me off for some other reasons. Unfortunately the majority of the lovely “society” doesn’t have that realisation.

No, it doesn’t work that way.

The sound of children playing is a normal part of human life, inseparable in fact from life.

The smell of cigarette smoke is neither.


Only because you're defining one as normal and the other as abnormal.

It is possible for the human species to exist without cigarette smoke, and doubtless for at least part of our history it did not exist.

It is not possible for the human species (or any form of mortal biological life) to exist without children.

If you want to try to define the latter observation of reality as “abnormal”, fill your boots.


There are lot of holes in your argument:

- civilisation is currently more at risk from overpopulation than depopulation

- just because children need to exist doesn't imply they need to exist in apartment buildings

- just because children exist doesn't imply that they need to play outdoors on balconies

- just because children exist doesn't imply that there can't be limits on how much noise they can make, and when

etc etc


You’re not going to win the “children in society” are abnormal argument. If you don’t like children, leave society.

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YOUR smoke affects MY HEALTH. It should be illegal to negatively impact others when it's not a necessity

Only when you’re next to him smoking. Don’t blow it out of proportion. Life: a sexually transmitted disease with 100% mortality rate.

I remember when I was young and edgy, and thought dunking on parents was simply sharing hard truths.

Boy am I glad I grew out of that mindset.


If you smoke you might not realise just how absolutely awful it smells and how it sticks to material. Sounds of children don’t.

I don't know man. I once heard the sound of children laughing and having fun, and now I've got kids of my own.

So does poor hygiene, smelly dog, a strong perfume you like but maybe not everyone, a newborn poop smell. And for all of those we have washing machines.

If your neighbours have so many kids that the newborn poop smell is filling your home if you open the window for a while and making your curtains and clothes stink of it because it’s that strong you are well within your rights to complain.

Do you smoke? These comparisons are quite odd unless you don’t realise just how strong the smell is.


Yes, that is the same because second degree kid noises also cause cancer.

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  A full range of scientific evidence, extending from the molecular level to whole populations, supports the conclusion that secondhand smoke causes disease. The scope of this evidence is enormous, and encompasses not only the literature on secondhand smoke but also relevant findings on active smoking and on the toxicity of individual tobacco smoke components.
* The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK44321/

356 links to supporting studies and works


Society needs kids and has a collective responsibility to raise them. It has no such obligation to cigarette smoke.

You want to have children? Cool. Made a mistake? Deal with it. Don’t make it sound like you are doing others a favour by having children though. “The society” will be fine without them. There are plenty out there nobody cares about.

Did we find the smoker?

The correct question is “have you found a smoker who smokes on a balcony”.

You’re both correct, 100%. Seriously.

Yeah, it’s simply pissing me off that no person noticed the only abnormal behaviour here is the dude labelling the whole category of human beings as “awful” without trying to understand their motives. Selfish and entitled on a boss level.

Are those who smoke on a top floor balcony also awful? Are those who smoke on a balcony of a multi-storey building they live alone in also awful people?


No, doesn’t work. Nice try though.

You must be a very congenial neighbor.



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